Third is a live and studio album by the English rock band Soft Machine, released as their third overall in June 1970 by CBS Records. It is a double album with a single composition on each of the four sides, and was their first album recorded with a four-piece line-up of keyboardist Mike Ratledge, and drummer and vocalist Robert Wyatt, saxophonist Elton Dean, and bass guitarist Hugh Hopper. Third marks a shift in the group's sound from their psychedelic origins towards jazz rock and electronic music.
Lyn Dobson appears on saxophone and flute on "Facelift", recorded while he was a full member of the band (then a quintet), although he is credited as an additional performer. Jimmy Hastings (brother of Pye Hastings from Caravan) makes substantial contributions on flute and clarinet on "Slightly All the Time", free-jazz violinist Rab Spall (then a bandmate of Wyatt's in the part-time ensemble Amazing Band) is heard on the coda to "Moon in June", and Nick Evans (a member of the band during its short-lived septet incarnation) makes brief appearances on trombone in "Slightly All the Time" and "Out-Bloody-Rageous".
According to Paul Stump's The Music's All that Matters: A History of Progressive Rock, Third was "unanimously acclaimed as the band's zenith." A retrospective review in Allmusic praised the exotic instrumentation and fusion of genres, and concluded, "Not exactly rock, Third nonetheless pushed the boundaries of rock into areas previously unexplored, and it managed to do so without sounding self-indulgent. A better introduction to the group is either of the first two records, but once introduced, this is the place to go."
In the Q & Mojo Classic Special Edition Pink Floyd & The Story of Prog Rock (2005), the album came #20 in its list of "40 Cosmic Rock Albums".
I HATE PROG ROCK I DONT WANT TO LISTEN TO 18 MINUITE TRACKS ONE AFTER THE OTHER I DON'T WANT TO SIT THROUGH SEVEN MINUITES OF A GUITAR SOLO
Actually this isn't bad tbh
- DO NOT LISTEN TO TRACK 1 FIRST -
It was alright, but nearly lost the will to live after the opening minutes of track 1, and this is coming from someone who usually rates prog rock quite highly. Quite an enjoyable listen once I got past that.
The musical rendition of Hitchhiker's Guide. Adventurous, mind-bending, indecisive, crazy. I got lost several times.
The fact that this was recorded live is incredibly impressive. It sounds several years ahead of other bands that would themselves be considered wildly ahead of their time (e.g. Pink Floyd's Meddle and WYWH). Unfortunately, though, the music lacks riffs, hooks, and (for the most part) chord progressions and melodies, making it tough for your standard listener. One thing I will say is that it wasn't boring. It just overrepresented creativity and musicians' enjoyment, at the expense of building a connection with the audience. Because I'm part of said audience, I can't give this 5 stars.
Great synths. In fact, great instrumentation all around. The musicianship is solid and the band sounds like they're genuinely enjoying themselves without sounding too indulgent. Fun and well-executed build-ups as well. It's mostly great, in theory.
4/5
Fave track: Out-Bloody-Rageous
Here was my progression in listening to this.
*Track one I want to kill myself and potentially also kill my children so that they would never accidentally have to listen to this.
*Track two Maybe this isn’t that bad. It’s not exactly the best jazz I’ve ever heard but it’s OK.
*Track 3. Nope back to child murder it’s the only humane thing to do
*track 4. I do not know what it sounds like because I’m either dead or in jail for the aforementioned child murder
You do a track, and you do a track, and you do a track. Play whatever you want but don’t tell anybody else what you’re doing. We’ll just mash em all together in the end. Ugh.
Way way too much prog, disappeared up its own arse before the first two minutes of ambient nonsense had finished.
Pointless, annoying, way too long. Its not big or clever to make music like this. The most jazzy parts reminded me of cheap tickets I got to the proms where we left after forty minutes. Wish I left this after forty minutes.
Bad.
I knew from the first track that I was going to hate this album. An 18 minute track where it takes more than half the duration to get going. Even after that it just sounds like noise.
The rest of the album isn't much better and I gave up before the end.
A sometimes bracing sometimes beautiful prog/jazz fusion album. It was honestly a little exhausting listening to the entire thing, but I can't deny that it was NOT BORING (my most important metric!). I can see why some people would give it a 5 for sure, but it's not quite there for me yet. 4 it is.
I would have run a bloody mile from this in years gone by. These days I'm the one making all the moves. You grow old, you listen to jazz, innit. Life 101. Even better if it's on the cusp of psychedelic shit fusing it with freestyle jazz and drugs are involved - participants, not the listener.
I love how the songs build up throughout ten minutes or so. You aren't going to hear these on Heart FM anytime soon. There's also a soft approach to all the jazz shit. The horns won't blow your arse off.
If you make it through all four sides then you have done very well. It takes you on a journey. Gawd knows where to. I became lost on side 3. That's half the fun, right?
Just rename the list ... it's not 1001 Albums to Listen to before you Die ... it's really: A Bunch of Really Terrible English Prog Rock Albums from the 70s ... and some Other Stuff. This is just dreck.
A little noise, a little jazz, a little avant garde minimalism, all prog. Though I like their first two albums a bit more, this is bold stuff, and holds up well alongside other prog rock and jazz fusion of the era.
I enjoyed this to begin with, as it was different to what I was expecting, but after a while - probably during the first tune, as it's nearly 20 minutes long - my interest started to wane. A lot of jazz leaves me cold, and prog makes me feel a bit queasy, so prog jazz is not really going to float my boat. Too much showing off, and for far too long.
When I was little I liked to pretend I could play any musical instrument I got my hands on. My games were about as good as this album. Zero stars if it were possible.
Enter all the fucking jazz fans telling you how creative and smart this music is. It's not. It's this isn't enjoyable. Every track was tedious randomness.
Complete miss on all accounts. Not sure what they were going for in this album? I want to call it experimental noise jazz? It’s fine to set out to make an album that sounds like nothing else ever done, but I feel like it has to have something that keeps the listener engaged.
I don't get it. This was awful to listen to and just went on and on. Non-musical and atonal in places, noisy, discordant, poorly recorded, just really bad. I would give it zero stars if I could -- one star.
This is why I started this project in the first place, to find incredible albums I'd never heard before. I know nothing about this band, just four tracks but it's jazz/rock stuff and it works exceptionally well. Reminds me of that Blood Sweat Tears album, which also was jazzy, but this one is all in. Just four tracks, each one an odyssey filled with wild and captivating sounds. Of course I'm saving every song. I don't know what else to say, this is all the way up my alley. First new album five-star in a while but very deserving.
Favorite songs: All of them, don't ask me to pick a favorite because each has moments that caught me in my tracks.
Album art: How often do we get these amazing albums with totally boring covers? It's just the word Third, with a bit of a shadow and path effect going on. Burnt orange all around. It's extremely minimal, and I can't say I'm mad at it, but it gives no indication whatsoever of how incredible the music is.
5/5
Reading about Soft Machine's Third set off a bunch of alerts to me; double album jazz-fusion from 1970. There's a big risk of self-indulgent twaddle there. But, then reading about it further, there were some intriguing ideas --the use of tape editing, drones, minimalism inspired by the likes of Terry Reily -- which are much more to my taste.
An d indeed, it is a very mixed bag. I am not a fan of a lot of so-called jazz-fusion, which can either be overly clever-clogs technique onanism or meaningless free-form noise or both. And this album can verge of committing both of those sins. Facelift is an unstructured noise collage. Don't get me wrong, I like a bit of noise, but it helps if it has a driving rhythm. Some of the other songs are more traditionally "jazz like". Not great jazz, but tolerable. I don't mind the tape edits, and this album appeals to me most when it gets a bit more drone-like, such as the opening to Out-Bloody-Rageous.
But, at its core, this is still double album of self-indulgent jazz rock. 2.5 stars, rounding up because of how badly recorded it is. I really dig the noisy lo-fi crunchiness of the sound. And so badly mixed! It's intriguing and weirdly charming.,
This was tough. It seems like it couldn't pick a lane - not jazz, not psychedelic rock, not folk rock, but trying to be everything at once while succeeding at none of them.
Surely this is one of the most eclectic and eccentric albums on the list! This album has a strange but wondrous magic to it. The playing by the band is all great; excellent bass, drum and keyboard parts throughout. My favorite part of the album is the second half of Moon in June, there's something so enchanting about it to me. I also like the vocal bits, and Slightly All the Time is awesome all the way through. Such a journey of an album.
Wow, I re-listen an album I liked before and find out I actually love it? Who Could've guessed something like that would happen to me! Sarcasm aside, this album is magnificent, with a hard-coded display of jazz rock at its instrumental finest, with a sonic blast of buzzing organs, complex drum patterns, and bass playing that is just subtle enough to feel like a texture that keeps my mind fuzzy. Even better is the third track's vocal performance via Robert Wyatt, who's voice I adore to no end, and I really soak in each word he speaks, as, alas, this is our only moments with him vocally. I originally was turned off by the opening track for being too all over the place and nonsensical, and while it is still the weakest track, I can wrap my mind around it just enough to love the parts where all the instruments explode at once, or when the music reverses and goes forward at the same time. Assuredly a sick experience to see live, and the rest of the album's non-live performances are also top-notch. Figures that I like it when British white guys do crazy, long form jazz instead of albums like Bitches Brew. Because I'm a bad person. Ah, well... someday that album will click with me. Maybe. Probably not. But this one does! This is fantastic, and worth the re-listen just a month later!
Jazzy prog? Wow I have been sleeping on these guys. I know some of Robert Wyatt's solo stuff but somehow haven't ever explored Soft Machine. I clearly have work to do!
One of my favorite album ever, by which I discovered the incredible Robert Wyatt. Uncompromised and so unique experimental jazz music with a canterbury scene feel. Listening to Robert Wyatt singing Moon In June while drumming is one of the best thing a human can experience.
Can’t wait to read the reviews. Gnarly, coherent, painting in and of a tornado, chunks of musique concrete and horn hurled into the sky.
A fast-tempo keyboard big riff blasted out on “Facelift” is the kind of Broadway “ta da” moment I associate with early 70’s prog, lovably annoying. There’s a fair portion of that fusion cheese across the record, but the second half gets moodier, more abstract, better.
Very cool listen. A bit of a synth psychedelic feel to the finish which I really dug. A bit up and down as far as how much I enjoyed it, but overall a cool album
Wow, this album is a wild trip.
I ignored first track - it is unbearable to listen to from first second. But rest of it is just crazy. During one 20 minute track it can go from perfect harmony to totally dreadful chaos and go back to great harmony. And this album is doing this many times this process is so smooth that I can't wrap my head around it.
I have never heard other song with part that was monotonous and not interesting just to use it as a base to build more on it and turn it great and fascinating.
Avoid first track.
Here's a band I should know but really don't, at all. Perhaps the anti-Yes, primarily laying down a groove and then embellishing it for each 18 minute prog segment. Avant-jazz? Generally gives me a headache with prolonged exposure, but Robert Wyatt's one was quite lovely. 9yo Eminem fan: "makes my ears bleed".
I went in completely blind and was really intrigued by the first track. I enjoyed it although it was an unconventional listen. I liked the ambient nature of it and although unpredictable, it created a congruent atmosphere. At the second track I suddenly realised I was listing to a Jazz album, and perhaps the most interesting one I have listened to so far on this project. It has elements that wouldn't be out of place in prog rock of the eighties, or even some alternative rock from the naughties (I can imagine these sounds on a post Kid A Radiohead album). Impressive for its date. Unfortunately "Moon in June" was a real low point for me, I just found the vocals too weak and annoying. Then the final track continued to ramble on, seemingly forever. After 75 minutes I had traversed my usual Jazz pathway, from "Wow this is interesting" to "Dear god will this ever end?!".
Considering Third's reputation on this site (with a 2.45 average score) i was going into it thinking that i would absolutely hate it. But i didn't hate it, rather, i tolerated it somehow. I will get this out of the way, Yes, the album can get pretty noisy when it wants to. Those noisy sections were surprisingly rare though as when the album was actually trying to sound like proper music, It didn't sound too terrible. I guess the length did kinda help me get through this album's quirkiness. The vocals in the third track were cool as well. I didn't think i would not dislike this album but somehow, it turned out to be surprisingly okay.
Best Song: Moon in June
Worst Song: Out-Bloody-Rageous
Third by Soft Machine is a terrible album. But at least it's really long.
Track one sounds like a talented group of musicians trying to replicate the melody of a fax machine.
Tracks 2 and 3 sound like a cacophony of sound that sounds like jazz, if you described jazz to someone who has never heard jazz.
Track 4 sounds like something like prog, but it's still long and listless and pointless.
With these ’70s prog albums, I constantly fail to understand why seemingly 50–80% of the LP’s content is aimless musical wankery. So far, I’ve come up with a few possible explanations.
A. There is some now-forgotten prog-rock law, similar to the Danish Dogme films or the German Beer Law, that says it’s not considered actual prog if the songs were written before entering the studio.
B. This being pre-internet, the UK public had, for some reason, never heard genuinely talented improvisational musicians; perhaps the shipment of U.S. jazz records sank to the bottom of the ocean.
C. This was some sort of inside joke within the prog scene... they were trying to outdo each other by seeing who could get away with the most wankery before someone finally called them out.
D. Lots and lots and lots of drugs.
When the first three minutes of the first song, which lasts for nearly 19 minutes sounds like a toddler learning music by the discovery method then I’m out. Didn’t bother with the other 3 songs or the rest of the first. Didn’t have 1 hour 50 minutes to burn away today. I don’t feel bad about it in any way.
This album is like your flatmate's douchebag boyfriend joining in on you and your friends weekly dinner gathering.
Most Wednesdays, you and your friends take turns at hosting each other for dinner, where you get takeaways and watch the latest episode of that new tv show.
About five minutes before everyone's scheduled arrival, your flatmate appears from her room and asks if her boyfriend can join. To be honest, you're a little surprised that she is joining, let alone her boyfriend. She moved in about six weeks ago after seeing the listing on TradeMe, and has made no effort to talk to you or anyone else. Normally she goes out most evenings, and when she doesn't, she typically stays in her room. You are nervous it will be a little weird, because nobody really knows your flatmate, let alone her boyfriend. You think maybe this is a chance to start a bit of a friendship with her though, so you agree.
This dude shows up wearing a waistcoat, scarf and a fedora, and introduces himself as Obsidian Smooth. What the fuck? He then pulls out a corked Malbec and firmly orders your flatmate to go and get him a Zinfandel glass and some ice for his wine. She doesn’t know what that is, but offers him a stemless wine glass. He is very noticeably underwhelmed. You haven’t even sat down yet and you already want to kick this guy.
One of your friends arrives with the pizzas, and Obsidian complains that there are no dairy free options with anchovies. “Sorry Obsidian, we weren’t aware that you were join-” you say, before he firmly interrupts you. “It is Obsidian Smooth. Not Obsidian. Obsidian... Smooth.” You apologise again. Your flatmate looks at you disappointedly. Is she upset that you didn’t call him by his full name? Or because she knows he is going to be in a bad mood for the rest of the night now, and she’ll probably bear the brunt of that?
He doesn't show much interest in getting to know your friends, but you trudge on trying to start a conversation that everyone can get involved in. “Hey the tv show doesn’t start for another 40 minutes, does anyone have any music requests? While the likes of LCD Soundsystem, Frank Ocean and Radiohead are suggested as options, Obsidian (yeah, that’s right, just Obsidian. Fuck this guy) pulls out a CD from his waistcoat pocket and throws it at you. You don’t even have a CD player, but you feel awkwardly obliged to go and get you’re laptop otherwise this guy might make a scene.
You return with your old laptop, not sure whether you are happy or sad that you had the means to play a CD, and put the disc in. It is a blank CD, with the name “Thelonious Licks and the Lounge Panthers” written in blue vivid on it. Oh shit. Who is this band mate? “Well firstly, I haven’t decided if you are my mate yet. But this is my band. We are one of the only bands in the game that draws inspiration from the Munich Jazz scene, but has the guts to add a kazoo to the mix. I am the second saxophonist”.
Literally every word he just said makes you want to scream and punch him in the ear. Thelonious Licks? The Lounge Panthers? He wasn't even the first saxophonist? Germany had a Jazz scene? The first song lasts the full 40 minutes you had available before the TV show starts. Mercifully, you turn it off and put the TV on. obsidian (yeah, not even a capital letter any more, even though it is the first word of the sentence) loudly groans and gets up and leaves without saying goodbye to anyone.
Fuck that guy is a knob.
Jethro Tull is not on this list. Aqualung. Thick as a brick. Songs from the wood. One song from any of those albums* is worth 20x this self-indulgent twaddle. If you were to put a musical soundtrack to boredom it would sound like this.
There’s no progressive acoustic music from the last 30 years on this list. Where is David Grisman Quartet? New Grass Revival? Bela Fleck and the Flecktones? Punch Brothers? Chris Thile solo? Sam Bush solo? It may be a bit early in Sierra Hulls career, but I know she’ll be a major influence.
We could look at the Jazz guys - Mike Stern, Marcus Miller, Victor Wooten, the Brecker brothers, David Sanborn …
Instead we have this and a hundred albums like it.
*ok Thick as a brick is one song but you know what I mean.
Third? More like Turd. This album should be a shining example of how to not start an album. That first track was absolute garbage - it's literally just noise. It's nonsense albums like these that make me wonder if the 1001 albums is actually picked at random because holy hell why would this be on anyone's list to listen. And what in the hell are these 18+ minute tracks?? 2/10.
The Wiki for this album states: "Not exactly rock, Third nonetheless pushed the boundaries of rock into areas previously unexplored, and it managed to do so without sounding self-indulgent"
I couldn't disagree more. It's a highly self-indulgent album with solo's that go nowhere. Quick shifts in tone out of no where that disrupt your rhythm. The entire first track is unlistenable. The rest just leave you feeling anxious and confused.
The wiki is right about one thing. It explored previously unexplored areas. Ones that probably shouldn't have been explored. Not the worst album on this list, but still only 1 star. And no, none of these 4 excruciatingly agonizing and long songs will make the 1001 best of playlist. They're that bad.
The first 1/3 of the first track on this record very nearly made me give up (the project, to be clear, not life). I don't understand how anyone can sit down and listen to that for pleasure.
I don't know if it was some sort of Stockholm Syndrome but I enjoyed some small parts of some of the later tracks. Overall however this was not a pleasant listening experience.
I didn't hate it as much as some other albums, but it's really not deserving of a 2/5, so it's going to have to be another:
1/5
5/20/25. Meh, I generally like this genre of music but this one didn’t do it for me. Never really picked up or became interesting as I listened on. Not terrible by any means, just didn’t click with it.
Self indulgent hot trash. The more prog I listen the stronger my view point. Hard listen to get through, jazz rock, insults 2 genres at once, posh prog boys wanting to be Coltrane, and the jazz aspect is the better part of this, the vocal track, oh dear. 1 Star because can’t give zero, never want to, and won’t hear again.
# 480 : Third : 14/05/2025
meh! I knew from the first track that I was going to hate this album. An 18 minute track where it takes more than half the duration to get going. Even after that it just sounds like noise. Pointless, annoying, way too long. Its not big or clever and someone actually paid to make this!
I know it's experimental, but this lacks all of the hallmarks of good/popular music. They kind of just threw together a bunch of semi-coherent musical ideas and noises without any thought and called them songs. Each song is super long so I wonder if they could have been edited down into something decent.
There are moments of relief while listening to this, but that's not what I'm putting an album on for. 90% of the time I'd rather take this off than keep listening.
There seems to be a big separation in my mind between too types of jazz: “Feel Cool” jazz, and “Mess Around Making A Racket” jazz. Unfortunately, this falls into the latter. There isn’t really anything positive that I can see about this album. It was, to my ears, annoying noise. It did quite literally nothing for me, and I can’t say I’m happy to have heard it. I’ll say no more, because there is nothing else I can really think of.
Saw the song duration and was extremely hyped. Left extremely disappointed.
I did not get this at all, but now clearly see where some of the more meandering aspects of Robert Wyatt's solo material comes from.
I've liked Bundles by Soft Machine on Spotify but I'm not too familiar with that album or Soft Machine's catalogue.
I wasn't really in the mood for prog today.
Was listening to this in the background but found it to be a slog to get through.
Vocals were abismal and lacking charm in Moon in June.
Probably an unfair rating but on this day I have to give it 1/5
Well… I see whyyyy it’s at a 2.45 out of 5, but…. can y'all just like good music? Instead of that awful AC/DC album?
Anyway this album is great. "Facelift" is great, even though it does have this one moment a bit past the 10 minute mark where the music does like a really unceremonious fade-out-fade in. That being said it's a really fascinating piece of jazz-fusion/experimental rock. It really moves as if a machine, not living but definitely doing something worth paying attention to. The tape loops, weird guitars, and instrument timbres all help make the song a worthwhile experience. "Slightly All The Time" is a bit more conventional in its incorporation of jazz, but hey!! I heard that “Love Supreme” reference at around 2 minutes in! These guys know ball! Anyway that song in particular is really great, just a classic, good ol’ 18-minute jazz song. Just… you know it. Awesome stuff. Doesn’t stray too far away from the direction of the first song, but goes a little more straightforward in its communication of intent. “Moon in June” is nice, lovely even, but Wyatt’s voice can be a bit grating. No one’s gotta be trained in singing, but make sure that your voice is more than just listenable. Because his is just below that. That being said, it has arguably the best instrumental passage on the entire album. Arguably. Finally, after a 5-minute progressive electronic introduction, “Out-Bloody-Rageous” starts in earnest and it is just ridiculous. ~14 minutes of the best closer this album could’ve had. Jazzy, crazy, quick-moving, and utterly beautiful. I didn’t know how I was going to like this, but that last song solidified that I loved it. One of the better albums this site has given me. 75 minutes in an incredibly consistent and beautiful musical world that doesn’t overstay its welcome, but certainly does not understay it. I adore this album.
9.6/10
It felt kinda self indulgent at first, but when it started to progress, I realized that there's no wrong note here at all. Great mix of prog and jazz, great discovery
Gave it a whole three listens today. Wild, kosmiche-esque music, that's not quite too proggy or jazzy, but does both just the right amount. Brilliant album. Have to give it five stars, no way about it.
Nyt tiedän myös, että Notkea Rotta on näemmä sämplännyt Moon in Junea Mielenterveyden timpuri -biisiinsä. Kaikkea sitä.
Fuck a 3 minute pop song. If you can get past the first 5 minutes of Facelift the rest of the album really kicks ass. Out-Bloody-Rageous is standout for me. An album with four 18 and 19 minute songs is exactly what I want to discover in this project. I'll be revisiting this and diving into the rest of their catalog. Top notch weird stuff.
And here we are again at the point where a very low rated album is going to get 5 fucking stars. This is Jazz Rock, this is just like Frank Zappa shit, and this has Robert Wyatt on here so from that alone we're talking 5 stars.
I can see where the first bit of Facelift (live) it can be a bit jarring I'm sure to someone who might not be into this kind of music but once it kicks it kicks and the flute at the end is French Kiss good, 18:45 of pure joy.
Slightly All The Time on the vinyl release (according to discogs) contains "noisetee" in the middle sadly that is not listed on the any of the CDs so one would not know when it begins or ends, it's also not part of the official track listing for the album.
Wow, what an album. I wouldn't be surprised if this album wasn't very well rated here, it is a particular taste, but... luckily it matches with mine, so it's a clear 4.5-5/5.
The musicianship is incredible, it's clearly an improvisational album by masters of their craft. An avant-garde/progressive/schizophrenic album and I've enjoyed every single second.
I absolutey loved every minute of this until he started singing which was so bad it nearly ruined the whole thing but fuck it still 5* because this thing is just wild.
Great album with a very varied soundscape. Can get pretty damn wacky at times, but you just gotta love it.
Best: Slightly all the Time
Worst: Moon in June
A breath of fresh air, this is what 1001 is all about for me. Among the hundreds of mid rock albums there are occasional gems like this.
It's jazz with prog structures, it feels both carefully constructed and completely unhinged.
Best song: Out-Bloody-Rageous
Worst song: Facelift - Live
Cover check: RDTHIRD
Wow - I liked it. The first song was okay, but the second one ... I had to add it to my list of favorites. I had to investigate Soft Machine further, and now have a new band that is on my regular rotation for listening. I need to hear more of this stuff. Yea! Finally - a decent find on a list filled with some pretty awful music.